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There is a significant lapse in the time between when these questions are sent in and when the answers appear in the Gazette newspaper and online. If you feel your horse needs to be seen by a veterinarian do not wait for a response. Call a reputable equine veterinarian in your area and let him/her examine the horse!
Dr. Mike Martin and Dr. Betsy Mikkelsen,
Retama Equine Hospital

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“Please remember, there is a significant lapse between when these questions are sent in and when the answers appear.  If you feel your horse needs to be seen by a veterinarian, do not wait for a response. Call a reputable equine veterinarian in your area and let him or her examine your horse.  This is advice only and not meant to be a substitute for proper and prompt local veterinary care.





My horse hasn't been eating her full meals for about the past 3-4 days. She'll eat up to at most half of her food. She's showing no signs of irritability or any other outer signs. What are some options I need to try and what could possibly be the problem? – Brittany, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Brittany,
Horses may go off feed for several reasons including pain, illness, or stress.  Pain can include mouth discomfort due to sharp points on teeth, loose teeth, inflammation, or infection.  Horses with stomach ulcers may also not eat as well.  A visit to your local veterinarian for a thorough evaluation can hopefully rule out any physical causes of pain.  He or she will also be able to detect any underlying illness which may be affecting how well your horse is eating.  Stressors may include being driven away from food by pasture mates, being intimidated by a horse in a neighboring stall, changing stabling situations, starting training, or any number of scenarios.  You should carefully evaluate what circumstances may have changed that could have contributed to stress for your horse. You should also have your horse’s diet evaluated by your veterinarian to determine if it is appropriate for your particular horse.  Your veterinarian can help you evaluate your situation, and will be able to give you some specific recommendations. – Dr. Symm

My horse is being boarded in a place that used the Cameo fencing for the turnout. She got her leg caught in the fencing and panicked, cutting through the tendons on her rear leg all the way to the bone. We are not sure if she will ever be sound again. According to what I am reading on the Web the monofilament line was supposed to give or break.
It didn't. How safe is this fencing for horses? I would hate to see any other owner go through what I have. Thanks so much! Debby, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Debby,
One thing that I have noticed is that horses seem to be able to hurt themselves regardless of what we do to try to keep them safe.  With this in mind it may be possible that the fencing performed exactly as advertised, but your horse still managed to hurt herself.  I have not had any personal experience with this fencing, nor have I heard positive or negative reports about it before now.  Since the product was specifically developed as a safer alternative for equine fencing, it is reasonable to assume that it went through a testing period to determine how safe it really is.  Information about this particular fencing system can likely be obtained by contacting the manufacturer, reading consumer reports, and consulting those who have used or are currently using it.  – Dr. Symm

We have a 19yr old miniature horse.  She is in good health and foals every year.  This year she had a foal that had to be cut out of her and she had a difficult birth with it.  The colt’s head fell down between its legs in the birth canal and the vet could not get its head up.  The colt died prior to having to cut the head off.  The mare did not tear during this procedure, and recovered well.  She did have a mild infection and had to be flushed out twice.  We waited a month prior to rebreeding her.  Now she is on her third time cycling and we can't get her bred back. Her cycles are right on time (21-23) days and last 5-7 days, we are breeding her every other day.  Is there something else we can try or do you suggest something else?  Like I said she is in good health, cycles regularly, and has had no problems prior to this.  Should we stop trying?  Is it true that an older mare should be bred back every year because if they are left open they are difficult to get bred back?  Thanks, Jason, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Jason,
It is true that older mares as well as barren mares have lower pregnancy rates than younger mares and mares kept in foal every year.  However, there are other problems that mares can have that will prevent them from getting pregnant.  Any time a mare is having difficulty getting in foal it is a good idea to have a breeding soundness exam (BSE) performed by your equine veterinarian.  A thorough BSE may include performing a physical exam, evaluating her external genitalia for defects (which could cause “wind-sucking” or pneumovagina), doing a rectal ultrasound of the reproductive tract, visualizing the cervix and uterus with a speculum, culturing a swab of the uterine fluid, examining cells from the uterus, and/or submitting a biopsy of uterine tissue.  Blood tests may also be submitted to check hormone levels.  Additionally, it is important to ensure that the stallion is fertile and that he appropriately ejaculates. These steps will yield information that will help you and your veterinarian know what to do to help your mare get in foal.  It is also possible that your mare’s uterus just needs more time to recover after the traumatic delivery; sometimes as long as 6-12 months. – Dr. Symm

I had a 5-year-old mare I raised. She was fat and happy and healthy, I thought. Sunday she was running, playing and eating.  Monday she staggered back, by the time I got a halter and went to bring her up front she was down.  She never struggled or tried to get up.  There was no response from her. We gave her a shot and she didn’t even flinch.  She was line in a coma. She died last night.  Any ideas what could have happened to her? – Susan, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Susan,
There are many causes of sudden death in horses.  Without knowing her vaccination history, witnessing the events, having a veterinarian perform a necropsy (animal autopsy), and/or submitting fluids and tissues for laboratory analysis it is not possible to know what caused your mare to collapse and ultimately die.  The “staggering” you mentioned supports the possibility of a nervous system disorder, but it may be related to any number of conditions. Some possibilities could include viral infections, bacterial infections, colic, and trauma.  You should have your veterinarian evaluate your vaccination schedule.   If any other nearby horse develops unusual behavior, it is a good idea for that horse to see a veterinarian.  There is the possibility that your mare may have acquired a contagious disease or may have been exposed to a toxin that could affect other horses. – Dr. Symm

    You can call Dr. Symm at Retama Equine Hospital 210-651-6375 or visit www.RetamaEquineHospital.com. You can also visit www.horsegazette.com/vet.html to view past questions or to send in a new question.





I have been boarding my 11-year-old registered Appaloosa gelding for 5 years.  We built a stable for him and he came home April 30.  To prepare the site location for the stable, we had to cut into a slope.  That slope is bare (except for some small roots) and has a good bit of clay and shale.  I introduced new hay (orchard/timothy) and grain (Purina low carb) slowly before I brought him home so he wouldn't have a reaction to the sudden change.  My horse has been eating the dirt and shale.  I know horses seek out minerals if they are lacking them.  I also read horses will eat dirt to settle an upset stomach.  What I'm not sure about is why he "yawns" excessively.  I did read they "yawn" if they have a sick stomach as well.  His gut sounds are good and his vitals are good and his urinating and manure are normal.  Should I be concerned about him being obsessed with eating the "bank" and "yawning"?  Thank you for your time.  Pam, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Pam,
Different horses will exhibit various signs indicating abdominal discomfort. I am not able to say that yawning is directly correlated with abdominal discomfort, but if it becomes excessive you should have your local veterinarian examine your horse. They might want to do blood work to check organ function (especially the liver) and/or a fecal examination to look for sand and parasites. Your veterinarian may also want to evaluate your horse’s diet to ensure that he is getting the minerals that he needs.  Consuming soil is commonly due to boredom.  It can lead to problems (including colic) and should be something to be concerned about. Eating dirt can sometimes be prevented by feeding a steady supply of good quality hay in a manger over a mat to prevent him from eating off the ground. Additionally, a balanced diet and plenty of activity and routine exercise will likely decrease the amount of soil he ingests.  Some horses unfortunately have to wear muzzles to prevent them from eating dirt. - William A. Symm DVM, Diplomate ACVS, Retama Equine Hospital, Inc.

I have been treating my horse for laminitis; how long should I keep him away from grass? Kristi, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Kristi,
Depending upon the initial cause of the laminitis and the metabolism of your horse you may need to always keep your horse away from lush green grass. It is not uncommon for lamanitic horses to have bouts of laminitis in the spring time when rain causes a rapid increase in new pasture growth. To get specific recommendations, consult with your local veterinarian after he or she has examined your horse. - William A. Symm DVM, Diplomate ACVS, Retama Equine Hospital, Inc.

My 12-year-old Arabian gelding has just recovered from Strangles.  He lost 50-75 lbs.  How long should I wait to start riding, provided he starts putting back on the weight?  He has a great appetite. – Diane submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Diane,
Having a veterinarian examine your horse is the best way to determine his current health status and to come up with a plan to return him to exercise. Horses that return to work too soon after being sick can develop complications, which can prolong the illness and potentially lead to severe long term disability. It is a good sign that he has a great appetite.  With a little patience he will likely be able to return to work soon. - William A. Symm DVM, Diplomate ACVS, Retama Equine Hospital, Inc.

What is the occurrence of twin (horses) born per 1000 births?   What is occurrence of (horse) twins conceived per 1000? – Mary, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Mary,
The occurrence of twins in horses varies depending upon the breed.  Out of 1000 pregnant mares, approximately 78 will conceive twins.  Seven of these mares will deliver full term twins, but only one set of twins will be born alive. It is common for these live twins to be under developed.  It is important to understand that complications are very likely with twin pregnancies.  Complications may include: late-term abortion, difficult delivery, retained placenta, delayed healing of the uterus, and death of one or both twins. Therefore, it is very important to work with your local veterinarian to monitor early pregnancy for the need for possible intervention.  - William A. Symm DVM, Diplomate ACVS, Retama Equine Hospital, Inc.

Hi there,
I am hoping you can help, I have a mini horse who choked a little while back and got nerve damage of the tongue, he cant stick his tongue back into his mouth, which makes it very hard (nearly impossible) for him to eat. He is only 1 year old and I would like to know what I can do. He spent 3 nights at the vet and they said bring him back home and hopefully in time it will correct itself, but it hasn’t. Any suggestions would be great. Thank you for your time. – Cecelia, submitted via horsegazette.com

Dear Cecelia,
If the assumption is made that the cause for the tongue problem is truly due to nerve damage it may take several months for the nerve function to return or improve at all.  This is also assuming that the cause of the initial problem has been resolved. A significant concern is making sure that your horse gets enough to eat during this waiting period.  Your veterinarian will have dietary recommendations that may help, recommendations may include feeding gruels.  Your horse likely needs to be monitored closely by your local veterinarian.  He or she may determine that additional treatment needs to be pursued. - William A. Symm DVM, Diplomate ACVS, Retama Equine Hospital, Inc.




Foot Imbalance

Hi,
I was just wondering if you could help me regarding a question? I was looking at a horse to buy however the owner said she has a slight foot imbalance. What exactly is this? Will it get worse with age? She is currently 8-years-old. Can you ride them a lot with this problem or do they keep going lame? Will it be costly?  Louis Strachan, submitted via HorseGazette.com

Dear Louis,
Foot imbalance is usually a term used to describe foot conformation. Commonly it is used when there are differences in the shape and length of the heels of one foot, but it is also used to describe differences between two different feet. Some veterinarians and farriers also talk about overall balance of the foot, in relation to shape of the sole. Many horses have imperfections in foot balance that they can tolerate with corrective trimming and shoeing, while others have chronic and sometimes debilitating lameness associated with the imbalance. If you are considering the purchase of any horse, particularly one that might have pre-existing problems, it would be wise to consider having your veterinarian perform a pre-purchase examination. - Dr. William Symm

Tick Infection

     In my riding lesson on Monday my horse had some muscle soreness.  My instructor discovered a dead tick on my horse’s leg right above the hock (the same leg he was sore in) the site of the tick was full of pus and it was red and sensitive to the touch.  Is this a bad thing? What should I do? – Samantha. P.S.- I put antibacterial ointment on the cut and it's looking a little better

Dear Samantha,
The muscle soreness is probably not related, but without any additional information it would be impossible to say for sure. As you already did, treating any wound by thorough cleaning and application of an antibiotic ointment are the best ways to get a wound to heal. If you continue to have indications of muscle soreness, any increase in discharge, heat, pain and/or swelling, contact your veterinarian as soon as possible. - Dr. William Symm

Keeping 38-Year-Old Happy & Healthy

     I have a 38 yr old quarter horse gelding that has been beyond health for his age. Even right now, he is holding his weight well, and has a fairly decent appetite. But, about two weeks ago he started spending a lot of time laying down flat on his side, which isn’t something he has ever really done much of. I wouldn’t be too concerned with it normally, but he has a VERY difficult time getting up. He is fine on his front legs, but his back legs don't seem to want to stay underneath him. I've tried talking to a vet, but they all look at me like it's a waste of time considering his age. My biggest concern is keeping him happy and comfortable. He still has plenty of spark in his eyes, and once he is up he gets around ok. He gets senior feed and supplements, and the occasional bute to help his joints. Do you have any suggestions, or could this simply be a sign that it's his time? When he's down, he acts like he wants to get up, but then, he sort of "gives up" like he doesn’t want to try anymore. I hate seeing him this way, as he has been my partner for an incredibly long time now and I want to do what is truly best for him. Thank you for your help! – Katie, submitted via HorseGazette.com

Dear Katie,
Many horses live to be 25-30 years old, while a select few live to be in their 40’s. Frequently, as you have noticed, horses that get to be your horse’s age will develop musculoskeletal pain. You might consider speaking to your veterinarian about some of the other joint supplements that are available to help alleviate his joint pain. Considering that your horse has been your companion for almost 40 years I can understand your concern in seeing him decline. Even though it might be very difficult to accept it is often in your friend’s best interest to let them go before they get into a situation where they can’t get up and suffer an agonizing death waiting for help. Veterinarians use guidelines to help people make decisions on when it might be time to end the suffering of their pets and could likely help you make the right decision. - Dr. William Symm

Horse Hangs His Tongue
 
Hi,
I have a horse that I purchased that hangs his tongue out while riding, he will also, do this when fighting or playing with the other horse loose, is there anything that I can do for this habit?  Thanks,  Susie Kendall

Dear Susie,
Some horses will hang their tongues when exercising. It is unlikely that there is any sort of particular cause for this, but you should have your veterinarian examine him and possibly look in his mouth. You might also consider changing the bridle that you use. - Dr. William Symm





Losing Hair on Hind Legs
I have a mare that foaled 10 days ago she has had trouble with back legs and now she is loosing her hair and I don’t know what to do. First they said she had straw burn, took that out and she is still loosing her hair and having trouble with legs. I am at my wits end help. – Sharon, submitted via HorseGazette.com

It is not uncommon for mares to exhibit some signs of ataxia or clumsiness in the back legs after foaling, particularly if the mare had any difficulty or labor was prolonged. Sometimes if mares are not washed off after foaling they can get some skin scalding and lose some hair from the normal foaling discharge. However, if you are still having problems with ataxia and scalding 10 days after foaling you should consult with a veterinarian and get a neurologic evaluation. Also, the veterinarian might want to know what you are and have been feeding your mare. Sometimes feeding sorghum grasses can cause mares to develop hind limb ataxia and to develop cystitis, which can result in significant scalding of the perineum.

Drainage from old Wound
I have a horse who got caught in barbed wire last fall.  A barb stuck in her shoulder and peeled a flap of skin back about 3 inches.  I had the flap sewn back down, and it healed beautifully without a scar.  However, for the past couple of months there has been a small amount of clear odorless drainage at the point where the barb initially penetrated.  I asked my vet and they said not to worry about it, but now she has started behaving differently. She still seems healthy in every way, her coat shines, she eats great (maybe too great, she is an easy keeper and is lots fatter than the others) but she seems listless, and doesn’t want to work when I am riding her.  She also separates herself from the others.  I tried getting her bred by AI last summer, but she came up open at the 15 day ultrasound, and has been coming into heat regularly since then.  Is it possible that the ultrasound was wrong, or do you think her behaviour is due to an infection?  Thanks! Adele, submitted via HorseGazette.com

It is unlikely that the ultrasound was wrong if a veterinarian performed the ultrasound exam. Also, if the mare is showing signs of heat it is very likely that the mare is indeed open or not pregnant. Certainly an infection could cause a horse to act depressed and exhibit the type of behavior you are describing, but typically horses that have an infection of some sort will go off feed and develop a fever. If possible you should ask your veterinarian to examine the horse and possibly check blood work to make sure there is not an infection. Also, it would not be a bad idea to do a recheck exam and if the mare is open do a uterine culture, biopsy and cytology to try and determine the mare’s reproductive status.

Buggy Ears
There are bugs flying out of my pony’s ear and we have just noticed this now and the bugs are causing irritation and bleeding. What are these bugs called so I can get medication for my pony? – Carol Pitts, submitted via HorseGazette.com

Depending upon what part of the country you live in and what time of year it is there could be many different insects harassing your horse’s ears. Often a pymethrin based fly repellent cream applied around the edges of the ears will be sufficient to repel most insects. However, if the sores in the ears are significant enough they might require veterinary attention for examination, treatment and prevention of getting worse.

No Diagnosis on Death of Horse
The horse has been put down.   Q was a NSH.  Age 14.  He was asymetrical - head and tail slightly cocked  to the left.  Hard to keep on weight.  Cinchy.   But a wonderful around horse to ride.  He was awesome as a 4H horse.    Q was ridden one day for several hours.  The next morning, he could not raise his head - yet continued to eat.  He appeared to be slightly swollen at the throat.  Within 30 minutes he was on the ground, having difficulty breathing.  A vet had been called - we had to wait about an hour.  In the meantime, his trainer and a neighbor put a tube down his nose to assist his breathing.  When the vet arrived, he was immediately given 4 - 5 shots. Not sure exactly what - something to assist respiration, cortisone, diuretic, . . .. ?    Breathing appeared to improve.  No temperature.  Slightly raised heart rate.  But not with it.  In about an hour, he was still down, seemed to perk up a little.  He recognized there were people around.  Then he struggled to get up.  He would fall hard.  The vet had left, but then came back in about 1.5 hours.  In his falling, he hit himself in the face with his own hind leg.  Twice he fell hard - face straight into the ground. Vet noticed - no muscle 'twitch' in the back half of his body.  He could move but couldn't feel? Finally in his falling, he broke his leg, and had to be put down.  His head cradled in his 18 year old owner's lap.  No blood work was sent to the lab.  No diagnosis.  Perhaps some sort of allergic reaction?  He was put down about 3 weeks ago - so we haven't seen the bill to see if there is any more information.  We only have 2 large animal vets in town, and I really don't like either one. This one DOESN'T TALK!  What could happen like this so fast?  (This whole awful ordeal took about 4.5 hours)What could this possibly be?  Thanks. Kris, submitted via HorseGazette.com

There are a plethora of things that could have resulted in the untimely death of this horse, but the best chances of ascertaining what actually lead to his demise is contacting the veterinarian that examined and treated the horse.





Regulatory Control of Supplements
I am seeing so much bad advice being given over the internet to people in emergency situations.  For example, someone came onto a discussion board indicating that their horse was colicing.  She then asked if she could give Banamine along with a supplement.  She was told by many to contact the owner of the supplement company and he would tell her how to give the supplement with the Banamine.  Would that be giving veterinary advice given the situation?  What if the horse died, would the owner of the supplement company be liable?  Is there anything being done to regulate these supplement companies and what they can or cannot state? Nona Yaron, submitted via www.horsegazette.com

Dear Nona,
You would have to ask an attorney about the specific liabilities in the scenario that you pose; however in the litigious society that we live in I am certain a suit could be filed if something adverse happened.  Supplements and other neutroceuticals have limited regulatory control over quality control and efficacy, so as consumers we all should be careful with their use in our pets and ourselves for that matter. – Dr. Symm

Large Bumps that Resemble Pimples
My 5 yr old quarter horse has bumps in his nose that resemble large pimples. One has broken open and bled. What are they and what should I do? Joanne Steiger, submitted via www.horsegazette.com

Dear Joanne,
One thing that might cause bumps on the nose that bleed is warts.  Usually warts are in younger horses and are self limiting.  I would recommend you have a veterinarian examine the horse. – Dr. Symm

Roach Back Horse
I recently acquired a horse with what I now understand is roach back.  What could I expect from him as far as soundness. He is a trained western pleasure horse and seems to be very good at it. I've had a massage person massage him and try to relax his muscles. He seem to be a little uptight and when I got him a little sore in his back.  After the massage he seems to be somewhat better.  What are your recommendations?  Sharon Neumann, submitted via www.horsegazette.com

Dear Sharon,
A horse with a “roach back” can have soundness problems associated with his back, but commonly back soreness is secondary to some other problem.  The two most common causes of back soreness are a poor fitting saddle and lameness.  A lameness that can often cause a horse to have a sore back is one associated with hock pain, particularly in this type of horse.  Have your veterinarian and a qualified person help you fit your horse in a good saddle and try not to overlook other problems that might be causing the back soreness. – Dr. Symm

Calm Horse Turned Skittish
I have a 4-year-old miniature horse who is extremely calm until recently. He is very skittish. He pulled a cart all last show season but now will not go near it or anything else. He recently (Feb. 28, 08) had his spring shots what could cause such a sudden change in behavior? Linda Poney, submitted via www.horsegazette.com.

Dear Linda,
It is highly unlikely that the vaccines would cause this type of behavioral change.  It is more likely a training issue that needs to be worked on. However, make sure and check your tack to find any possible causes for the behavior. – Dr. Symm

Extremely Gassy Horse
I have a 3-year-old that I bred and raised.  He has been extremely gassy since he was around 2 months old.  He has been on 12% pelleted feed, an alfalfa timothy mix hay, and free choice pasture until 4 months ago when he went into training.  I thought maybe the change of feed would stop the gas problem, but it has not, it has not gotten any worse though either.  I have had him checked by our vet several times and his gut sounds are normal.  He has never coliced or had any other digestive problems.  Is there anything else that I should have checked, could this be a serious problem?  My vet said that it is strange but cannot think of a root cause.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Melissa Beckman, submitted via www.horsegazette.com

Dear Melissa,
Many horses expel tremendous amounts of gas and certainly dietary changes can lead to intermittent increases in gas production.  Typically flatulence is a good thing in horses and would likely not be a medical concern.  You might consider talking to your veterinarian about treating your horse with a dietary conditioner and/or with a probiotic.  Even though we often correlate excess gas with colic, there is unfortunately not much more than just keeping your horse’s diet consistent to minimize it. – Dr. Symm




Flapping Lips

I purchased two 2-year-old old fillies in October/2007. A buckskin and the other a paint. Both have been doing great until recently the buckskin has been not using her lips to take treats out of my hand. She uses her teeth to get the treats. Her lips are just flapping there. When I first got them the buckskin used her lips to take the treats. The paint is having no problems at all. Could she be just lazy or is this a sign of something more serious. – Janet, sent via email March 2008

It is probably nothing to worry about. If you are concerned have your veterinarian examine her. There is an outside possibility that it could be an early indicator of neurologic disease. EPM, Rhino etc. are all possibilities but remote possibilities. Dr. Martin

Scabby, Oozing Rash

I have a 7 yr old TWH gelding that has come down with scabby oozing rash on his sheath and girth area last year. This year he has contracted it again only this time it is all over his body. Quarter size bumps with oozing scabs. He is very sensitive. We have treated him with antifungal and antihistamines. The body lumps are gone but the girth area and sheath area are still oozing and sensitive. The scraping came back fungal but the antifungal is not helping anymore. My vet is still looking for answers. He is stalled with daily turnout in a semi-wooded pasture and fed Strategy and grass/alfalfa mix hay. He is my search and rescue horse and he is out of commission for than rideable. Thank you, Susan sent via email March 2008

A biopsy and allergy testing might be helpful in determining what is causing the “rash”. Environmental allergens, such as insects or pollens might be the root cause of this condition. The fungal infection might be a secondary issue. Dr Symm

Left Hind Leg Thru Hog Wire Fence

On the 11th of March I found my 5 year old rope horse with both hind feet kicked thru some hog wire fence it took 15 cuts with a wire cutter to remove the hog wire and the two strands of barb wire he did not cut any arteries and had no deep cuts at all my concern it his left hind leg was suspended in the wire and the rings around his thigh and lower leg were pretty deep there is no hair on either leg from the thigh to the hoof I have taken him the vet here in our area and he won't say as to the damage because of what we can't tell yet his legs aren't swelled up yet and that is what the Vet is worried about . My question to you is how much pressure the wire caused and what you think his chances are. Thanks, Doug, submitted via email March 2008

Without examining the horse it is hard to say. Radiographs and an ultrasound of the leg could be helpful. Talk to your vet about a course of action if you have concerns. Dr. Martin

Growing Mane Back Quickly

My daughters pony has a lovely mane and tail - unfortunately due to him wearing his rugs the mane from the withers to probably 12 inches up has nearly gone - the rest looking fab...are there any solutions out there that would bring this mane back within a couple of months? Carol, submitted March 2008

If I knew a solution for hair growth I would use it on my head!! Unfortunately to my knowledge there is nothing available that would solve this problem. Time is the key here. Hair only grows so fast and it is hard to speed up that process. Dr. Martin

West Nile Vaccines

This is a question about West Nile Vaccine. We have been vaccinating our horses for West Nile since 2005. We have always used Recombitek Equine West Nile Vaccine, which I believe is a modified live vaccine. But this year I ordered Fort Dodge West Nile-Innovator, which I believe is a killed...my question is can I just give their annually revaccination or do I since this is a different type have to give two doses, as if I were starting over? Thank you, Charlene, submitted via email March 2008

As you mentioned the vaccines are different, thus they impart their protection differently. Fort Dodge does recommend giving horses a booster, even if they have been appropriately vaccinated with a different vaccine in the past. Dr. Symm

Fever and Swelling

My 8 year old thoroughbred has never been raced, and as far as we know has no prior injuries. However, over the weekend he had a fever of 103, and swelling in his left fore just below the knee (around the tendon). We are completely baffled by this. Any suggestions? He does not seem to favor his leg, and after a round of antibiotics, seems to be feeling better in terms of the fever. Thank you, Alyssa, submitted via email March 2008

I do not know whether the fever and the swollen leg are related. I do know that I would have the horse examines by your veterinarian. It is possible that he bowed a tendon or has a puncture wound or something of that nature. Bowed tendons by themselves usually do not cause a fever. But with a fever and a swollen limb I would want your vet to examine the horse immediately. Dr. Martin

Older Horse Doesn’t Gain Weight

I have a 21-years-old QH gelding.  I've had him since he was 5 years old.  He's now retired and lives with my sister in SC (I'm up in Mass.).  He had a stifle injury, and after that, arthritis set in, but he seems to be happy, and he plays with his two pasturemates.  The thing that's bothering me is that he cannot gain any weight.  He's very well-fed, is given a fat supplement, is on medication for his arthritis, and I've had him vetted out with blood tests.  He's on a regular farrier schedule, shot schedule, teeth floating, etc.  This horse is provided with everything he needs.  However, I cannot get him to gain weight, and his body condition is incredibly poor.  My question is, when is he "too skinny" that I might have to consider putting him down?  Should I even link euthansia to his body condition or should I wait until I see his mental health (or organs) start to fail?  It's not easy getting old, for man OR beast!  Thank you very much for your time, Nita.  Submitted via email March 2008.

Certainly body condition is a reflection of your horse’s general health. The National Research Council has published a set of guidelines in the “Nutrient Requirements of Horses” that help objectively evaluate your horse’s condition. This score can then be used to help determine where your horse is and then enable you and your veterinarian to track how your horse is doing. Also, a weight tape can be used to accurately estimate your horse’s weight. Adding calorie dense supplements like corn oil and rice bran to the diet can help add condition to horses of any age. It is important to work closely with your veterinarian while trying to get weight on your older horse. Dr. Symm




My horse (6 y/o spotted saddle) has a large lump under his chin. I just noticed this today and can't tell how long he's had it.  He's due for his teeth to be floated.  Could it be a tooth infection or maybe it's a swollen gland fighting off infection? Thank you, Selma Galev

Dear Selma,
Both answers are possible, but more information is required to be certain.  Depending on where exactly the lump is several different actions could be taken.  If the mass is large and moveable, or not attached to the bone, a thorough examination and possibly a biopsy or needle aspirate would be indicated.  Additionally radiographs might be helpful to determine whether or not the swelling is osseous or of bone origin.  Frequently the submandibular lymph nodes will swell or enlarge when there is inflammation somewhere in the head, for example from oral ulcers due to sharp enamel points on the cheek teeth.  Another potential cause could be a lymph node abscess due to Strep. equii (“Strangles”), which would require additional precautions and diagnostics.  The probability is that the swelling is of benign origin and if you have the horse examined by a veterinarian, there might be a simple explanation and/or solution for the swelling.

I have a five yr old QH gelding (HYPP N/H) that has lost weight over the winter, due to being in a bare pasture. He needs to gain about 150-200 pounds. My question is, what kind of weight builder is safe for an HYPP horse? He is currently getting 3 pounds of Strategy a day, and he will be getting hay next week. Thanks, J.Batten

Dear J,
The condition HYPP is a genetic disorder that results in periodic elevations in serum potassium levels that subsequently can be debilitating and life threatening at times.  The condition can often be successfully managed through careful management of the horse’s diet, exercise routine and proper veterinary care.  I recommend you have a veterinarian help you make any management changes for your horse, as any change can cause an increase in frequency and severity of HYPP attacks.  Basic dietary recommendations for feeding an HYPP horse are to limit its dietary intake of potassium.  Things which are high in potassium, like; molasses, alfalfa and most electrolyte supplements should be avoided.  This list precludes you adding additional calories to your horse’s diet by increasing his grain intake due to the molasses found in most grains.  Three pounds of Strategy is not a sufficient quantity to make him gain weight, but be careful adding more of this feed to his diet too rapidly due to its molasses content, which is high in potassium.  The basis of your horse’s diet should be a high quality grass hay and oats.  A calorie dense supplement that you can add is corn oil, without adding much unwanted potassium.  Total potassium in his diet should not exceed 1-1.5%.  In order to determine how much he is to get you will need to have his diet analyzed.  Generally speaking a horse should consume 1.5-2% of body weight in roughage per day and should not consume more than 0.5% of body weight (5 pounds/1000 pound horse) in grain per meal.  These are rough guidelines and you might have to feed him differently to get him to gain weight.  Keeping his routine consistent to minimize stress and feeding him smaller more frequent meals can help decrease the risk of attacks.  In working with your local veterinarian and local or state extension specialist you will likely be able to formulate a plan for you horse’s needs.

I have two horses that turned up lame today in the same leg same area. (The felt lock) The first was dead lame when I went to feed. The second was lame in the exact same way as the first after my daughter started to trot him. There was swelling and no neat. I ran cold water over the swelling 3x for about 20min. Gave banimine once to both of them at 10:00AM by 7:00PM swelling has gone down a lot and they were putting weight on it. Not 100% sound but feeling much better. Question. Do you think that it was just a coincidence that they were both lame the same way or could it be some type of virus?? I looked for wounds there were none. No sign of any bits etc. I just find the whole thing very odd!  L. Papes

Dear L.
Most likely a coincidence, but not outside the realm of possibilities that these horses reacted to something in there environment and/or encountered an infectious agent.  If the swelling and/or lameness return I recommend that you have a veterinarian examine the horses.

Our 6-year-old mustang gelding developed a small (about 2" x 1/2") barely raised oval shaped sarcoid under his chest fairly close to his right front underarm area.  This area is not touched by the girth or any other equipment.  To my knowledge he has not injured that area before.  It was treated by the vet with liquid nitrogen and seemed to get worse after that and ulcerate with one area of tissue jutting out. It increased in size to about 3" x 1".  I  can feel involvement of the tissue beneath the skin but does not feel very deep. It seems to me that it is a distinct area at this time. From discovery to diagnosis to treatment  all taking place within 6 months. We have recently been keeping it flyfree with Biozide gel applied liberally once per day. Prior to that we noticed the small flies were very attracted to it.  There is no pussy discharge but the sarcoid is open where the tissue has risen from the skin.  Is there any topical treatment that you are aware of that we can apply to this sarcoid to either stop its growth or "kill" it? Thank you, Leigh Kneeshaw

Dear Leigh,
Unfortunately as you have experienced, sarcoids have a way of coming back after treatment, often worse than they were before.  There are many topical treatments available with mixed results reported.  I would recommend you consult your local veterinarian to guide you in the treatment of this tumor, as the best chances you have for success are by early and appropriate follow-up treatment.  A biopsy might also be helpful if one has not already been done.  Often surgical excision combined with either topical or injected chemotherapeutic agents is successful.




Hello I am currently looking at a coming 2 year old to purchase for a Hunt Seat horse. As a yearling the colt cracked his splint bone but it was not displaced and did not require any surgery to repair it. The owner said it swelled up but he was never lame on it. What concerns should I have about this? If I re x-ray it will that tell me if the splint bone has healed okay? Thank you for your time, Erin

Dear Erin,
Radiographs could certainly help determine rather or not the fracture has healed, which it sounds that it has.  However, a bony exostosis or callous can form due to splint bone fractures and these can sometimes cause impingement on the soft tissues on the back of the leg, particularly the suspensory ligament.  A thorough exam is indicated and an ultrasound might be warranted as well.  If there is bone putting pressure on the tendons and ligaments it could cause lameness.  Even so, a vast majority of splint bone problems do not cause any problem at all. – Dr. Symm

     My horse has a breathing problem. I say it that way because it is not all the time. I have been told he has a fleshy palate, and that sometime his esophagus gets stuck on it. However when I hold my hand over his left nostril he is quite. When he gets very excited and over exerts himself. Such as a trail ride with other horses, he gets very loud and after the ride I have noticed a heave line. As soon as her relaxes and calms down it goes away. My vet does not think he is a roarer because it is not all the time.  He doesn't want to scope him because he thinks it is a palate issue but I can't seem to get it to dislodge. What could it be? Dennie

Dear Dennie,
There are many different structures that can lead to airway noise and dysfunction.  The upper respiratory tract is a common cause of inspiratory and expiratory noise.  Dysfunction of the soft palate can be challenging to diagnose, however a resting endoscopic exam would be helpful to rule some of the other causes of respiratory noise out.  If a diagnosis is not reached with the resting exam a treadmill exam could also be useful. – Dr. Symm
     My seemingly healthy 3 yr old gelding was vet checked for a pending sale. The vet found a heart murmur and after strenuous exercise said there was a significant irregular heartbeat on his right side.
He has not been exercised regularly as he is not under saddle and it’s the dead of winter with 4 feet of snow on the ground. He appears extremely healthy.
How concerned should I be? What if anything should I do for him? How will this affect his life span? Should I not market him for sale? Thanks you very much, Lisa

Dear Lisa,
Most heart murmurs and arrhythmias do not cause problems, but there are some that can cause exercise intolerance and lead to poor health.  A thorough cardiac exam including echocardiography, or an ultrasound of the heart, and an ECG might determine rather or not your horse has a non-pathogenic problem. – Dr. Symm

I have a 17+-year-old appendix, which up until now has been "healthy as a horse" (sorry for the pun). I am not sure of his exact age because he doesn't have papers. He has always been a very willing, honest horse. I am working with a vet who is scratching her head as to what his problem is. Looking back, symptoms may have started a couple months ago, but only became obvious in the last two weeks. Here is a rough timeline: Prior to 2/3/08 Kicks when groomed around flank area, both sides before being ridden and kicks when asked to pick rear right hoof. After riding easy to groom and pick all hooves. 2/3/08 Difficult to mount. Kicks when asked to move hind to left. Rears when going through soggy area. Would not let me pick right rear hoof after riding. 2/5/08 Chiropractor sees him says he is sore at base of withers, which she doesn’t think is saddle soreness because after she works on him it seems to be relieved. Notes that he is very sore beneath floating ribs on both sides. 2/8/08 I do not ride because he kicks when I try to groom girth and flank area, both sides. He is eating hay and I am messaging right shoulder. He turns and bites me. 2/14/08 Vet examines Eli. She checks hooves, soundness, teeth, temperature, fecal sample, blood, gut sounds. When her assistant lunges him to either side he rears, bucks, and jumps with all four feet off the ground. He is a little worse to the right.
Her possible diagnosis and reasons why she isn’t sure of them or has rules them out: Ulcers: Fecal sample says no; Tying up: blood work rules this out; ESPM: Occurs in younger horses, and change in diet. Horses are unable to cross-pelvic line. Eli is able to cross back legs no problem. EPT: Affects neurological awareness. Eli passes with flying colors. Tends to attack one side. Eli’s soreness is on both sides.
I am sorry this is so long; I'm just looking for any and all wisdom. Thank you for caring. Liz

Dear Liz,
It sounds like there could be many different causes for the behavior that Eli is exhibiting.  I would recommend a complete and thorough lameness exam.  One potential possibility for an orthopedic cause for the lameness could be upward fixation of the patella.  Nerve and or joint blocks could be used to help rule out other causes for the lameness.  Unfortunately with such signs it can be difficult determining exactly what is causing the lameness and your veterinarian might be left with trying multiple things before any one thing is met with success.  The fecal blood test for ulcers is not very sensitive and it might be a good idea to either scope Eli’s stomach or empirically treat for ulcers if they are a suspicion. – Dr. Symm



Geriatric Pony

My geriatric pony had 2 episodes of choke during the last 6 months that resolved spontaneously within an hour or so. The 3rd episode occurred over Christmas and did not clear itself. The vet could not pass a nasogastric tube, why was this and what can be done in such cases? Ultimately the pony developed severe pain in his gut and I had to euthanase him. – Gillian Mazure

Dear Gillian,
Whenever a horse gets a choke or something lodged in its esophagus there can be damage done to the lining. Once we resolve a choke we scope the area and see how much damage is there. If there is an ulcerated area or angry tissue then those horses are put on a gruel feed and possibly antibiotics until the area is healed. Horses can also develop strictures in the esophagus from a choke. We will sedate the horse and use a stomach tube to try to lavage and break the choke up. If the choke cannot be resolved while standing, then we anesthetize the horse and try to lavage it that way. Sometimes horses become choked on a foreign body other than feed and some of these horses have to have the object removed surgically by cutting into the esophagus. This is not a minor procedure and can lead to complications. Also, in any geriatric horse it is a necessity to have regular teeth work done so the horses can masticate their food properly. I am sorry to hear about your pony. I hope this information helps.  - Dr. Martin

Weaning 20 month old gelding

My mare will not wean 20-month-old gelding.  I wanted to let weaning take place naturally without separation, as I did not breed mare again.  I have been told to use Drixoral to dry her up- although her bag has not been big for quite some time.  Is it possible that the yearling just likes to suck? Any idea why the mare will not wean?  - Maxie Register

Dear Maxie,
The foal needs to be taken completely away from the mare. As long as they are together the foal will likely try to nurse the mare. The mare is not providing the foal any measurable nutrients at this point. If the mare was re-bred, then when the mare foaled she would probably not allow the previous foal to nurse. But, it is still best to separate it from the mare for a period of time. - Dr. Martin

Lumps on Sheath

My horse has two golf ball size lumps at the end of each side of his sheath.  The local Vet has looked at them. She found no soreness, no sign if infection, we Large Animal blood profile on him everything looked ok. I have given him more area to move and it seemed to help along with hot compress a couple times a day.  I worry about cancer but don't want to over react if this is just a winter time, unusually icy condition situation.  I guess my question is what would be different if this was cancer without taking the biopsy.  Would the biopsy be definitive? – Laurie Edwards

Dear Laurie,
A biopsy should give a definitive diagnosis as to what the mass is. Discuss your options with your veterinarian and see if a plan cannot be established to figure out what is going on. - Dr. Martin

Twenty six year old rescue horse

I am currently undergoing the rescue of a senior malnutritioned mare, approximately 26 years of age. She only has her front teeth, her feet are in terrible shape, cracked and way overgrown, she is not fed properly, the top of her hips and back has caved in from being way to skinny and it appears she has a large belly all towards the bottom so I am guessing she has worms as well. I don't believe she has ever been vaccinated either. My plan is to try to rescue her and get her medical attention immediately or have animal control take care of this matter so she is not in my care quite yet but I am just trying to get some advice on the type of food I should be researching because she doesn't have all her teeth, and how I would go about taking care of her because obviously treatment will be extremely important. She is neglected so she will probably be put under a lot of stress once she is being worked with. Any advice would be great! Thank you! – Pederzolli

Dear Pederzolli,
You need to consult with your local veterinarian about the care and maintenance of this horse. This is not an easy task you are under taking and there could be many complications along the way. The horse might not ever recover from the malnourishment. It needs to have a complete physical exam with blood work and then teeth work, vaccinations, and de-worming according to your vets recommendations. It will be a slow and long process. - Dr. Martin

De-worming and low white blood cell count

My vet has recommended "power packing" my horse because he had a low white blood cell count.  Is this common?  I've tried to research this, but I have not found a connection between parasites and low white blood cells (except for EPM) which; I believe, would be treated differently.  I did see some research that showed a correlation to high white blood cell count and parasites. - Lynn

Dear Lynn,
There are many things that can cause a low white blood cell count. It sounds like to me that you need to talk to your vet and find out why they have decided on that plan of action. Without seeing the horse or knowing more of the history I could only speculate as to what the vet is thinking. I agree that with the many causes of a low white blood cell count, parasites might not be first on my list. But I do not know the whole story so I would ask the vet why they think there is a connection. - Dr. Martin




I had a 3 year old Morgan mare on pre purchase trial.  She was being fed 5 lbs of grain a day.  We thought that was the habit of her owners - but after a week we saw that she didn't eat much hay.  The hay at our barn is locally grown with a 14% protein and smells so delicious I want to eat it.  She wasn't interested.  Then I remembered they had her teeth done twice this year - so maybe they were trying to get to the bottom of it.
She did not pass the vet check for confirmation and I returned her - but I wonder if this was another problem.  She was small and immature.  Her sire was lanky - so maybe holding weight is an issue.  Could this have been an indication of a problem? – Carol

Some horses have to become acclimated to new hay. I have had horses that will not eat top quality alfalfa because they are not accustomed to it. Having said that I would probably want to do a full oral exam to make sure there is not anything unusual going on in the mouth. Without doing a complete physical and possibly blood work it is hard to determine if there were underlying problems. Thanks. Dr. Martin
 
Hi Doctor,
I am looking at an 9 year old gelding barrel horse to buy. The lady says that he has Arthritis in his Stifle. Her vet thinks he was born with a flatter stifle joint than most horses and due to a high impact sport and wear and tear caused some arthritis. What can be done to help prevent this problem or at least make it so he can compete comfortably? Also I was wondering if injecting a horse with these kind of problems helps them in the long run, or are they just good for a couple years? Please let me know. – Amanda

Dear Amanda,
                      There are several different ways to address this problem. The first thing I would want to do is a lameness exam and determine if the horse is showing any lameness in the stifle or any other places. I would then want radiographs of the stifle since there does seem to be some history with it. Oral joint supplements, Legend, Adequan and joint injections can all be helpful in cases of arthritis. But you need to determine how advanced the arthritis is and whether your vet thinks the problem can be maintained with medication. Also, if you plan on selling the horse some day will the prospective buyers want a to purchase a horse with an arthritic stifle. Soft tissue problems can cause problems in the stifle as well. I would be very cautious and make sure a thorough pre- purchase exam was done on this horse. Thanks. Dr. Martin

Dear Doctor,
     A 4-year-old large pony had been in the pasture for a few months since it was worked last.  Once it was worked it was given a flexion test by a vet and he described that the suspensory ligament was very sensitive to the test.  He discontinued his examination at this point.  This seemed to be related to the SDFT since the next step may have been to test the DDFT.  My question is:  If the pony was to be gradually worked over a period of time to reach performance levels would the sensitivity be reoccurring?  If so, what would be the specific exercise to overcome such discomfort for the pony.  Also, if the pony was started to young to perform could it interfere in the development of these tendons?  Thank you for the opportunity to communicate this situation and I look forward to a prompt response. – Matt

 Matt,
The first thing that needs to done is to get a definitive diagnosis on what area of the limb is actually injured or sore. An ultrasound exam of the flexor tendons and suspensory ligaments is a very good way to diagnose these problems. Once a diagnosis has been made then a treatment plan and prognosis could be established. But a complete lameness exam and diagnosis needs to be made before a rehabilitation plan is started. Thanks. Dr. Martin
 
 
Dear Doctor,
My mare is probably 15 or 16 yrs old, over the summer her eye started turning cloudy and today it is colder out her eye is runny and stuff is kind of running around I brought a warm cloth and wiped the area, she acted like it felt pretty good of course I know that won’t fix nothing but I really would like to know if you think that it is a cataract and can those be fixed and or is she maybe going to go blind in one eye? Let me know what you think. Thank you, Wanda Gale Pearson.

 Dear Wanda,
In my opinion, all problems with the eye itself should be regarded as emergencies. I think you need to have the horse examined by your vet and try to determine what exactly is going on in the horse’s eye. There are several different approaches to handling horses with eye problems depending on the problem. But without knowing what is actually going on in the eye, any advice that I would give you is just speculation.  Thanks. Dr. Martin
 
Dear Doctor,
We're considering buying a beautiful 6 year old Tennessee Walker. He has a club foot, which does not affect his gait in any way. My concern is it the club foot likely to become worse as he gets older? The farrier just seems to file the foot, and really hasn't been a issue for the horse. I believe he was born with it. – Lisa Huurman

 Dear Lisa,
          Since the horse is six years old I doubt the foot will get worse. You didn't mention to what degree the horses problem is. But if the horse is indeed sound than I would think this would be more of a shoeing issue long term. I would definitely get your vet to do a pre-purchase exam and find out if your vet has any reservations about possible complications from the club foot. Thanks. Dr. Martin




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